Tim Klein
Registered practicing Psychologist / Psychotherapist
Tim
Klein has twenty years experience working in the field of
psychology and psychotherapy. He has qualifications in both psychology and
psychotherapy, as well as in youth work.
Recorded
17th April 2007 in The Grange.
Transcript of “Equal Age Of Consent Reform DVD” video
Interview and transcript
by John Frame, Ph: (07) 3350 1562
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Tim Klein:
My name is Tim Klein. I’m a registered psychologist and I’m a psychotherapist.
I have qualifications in both psychology and psychotherapy as well as in youth
work and I’ve been working in the field for about 20 years.
A lot of my work has involved working with issues of
sexuality amongst same sex attracted young people as well as same sex attracted
adults. And just to fill in my background a bit – this has included being
involved in doing a lot of counselling and therapy
with same sex attracted young men and women, and same sex attracted adults and
their families, as well as being involved in organising
one of the first conferences that looked at issues of suicide and self-harm
among same sex attracted young people. In the second conference it looked at
issues of addressing homophobia in the school system. As well as that I’ve done
extensive training with youth workers, human service workers etcetera in South
East Queensland regarding best practice around working with same sex attracted
young people.
So it’s an area I feel quite passionate about.
So that’s my background. In terms of the unequal age of
consent, the bottom line is that it’s another piece of discrimination.
Many, many years ago when I was in a position of first
starting to train workers in regards to working with same sex attracted young
people, I spent quite a bit of time trying to distill a lot of the research
that I was coming across in how socialisation worked
in our culture – and the words I ended up with were that, in essence, how
society teaches young people three things:
- They teach people that they need to be heterosexual
- They teach people that they shouldn’t be homosexual
- and the don’t teach people about
being a homosexual.
So you’ve got your blatant heterosexism,
and all the models around heterosexuality – which a lot of heterosexuals have
to find their way out of anyway, because they’re quite rigid. And then you’ve
got the overt homophobia of “You shouldn’t be gay” and all the things that are
wrong with that. And then there’s the covert homophobia, which is where young
people aren’t presented with positive role models of adult gays and lesbians.
There’s a whole silence around the reality of being gay.
Now, those three things work together quite well and are
oppressive for everyone in our culture. There’s quite huge links, particularly
in Australian culture, between homophobia and the construction in particular of
masculine identity – in that basically guys learn form an early age that you
prove that you’re a real man by proving that you’re not a poofter.
And that’s quite oppressive for straight men – all the bits of themselves that
they have to cut off to fit into that tiny little box. So those three things
that people are taught that I was referring to– they’re oppressive for
everyone. But for people who are actually same sex attracted – people who are
gay, lesbian, bisexual – it’s actually a source of trauma and as far as I’m
concerned it’s actually a form of systemic abuse.
I’ve been saying this for about ten years now, that this is
a form of systemic abuse, and I think what the research is showing more and
more is that, yes, it is a form of abuse and the impact of that abuse, the
research around that is starting to come out more and more.
I know when I first starting saying it to other therapists
and other human service workers back in the mid-nineties, referring to this socialisation as a form of abuse actually got some
responses of “Oh god! How can you use that word? That’s a bit strong isn’t it?”
Now when I talk about it there is no response like that – there’s actually, it
seems to me, there’s
a growing realisation particularly amongst the sector
that I work in that, yes, this is a form of abuse.
Now, it’s a form of systemic abuse. It can exacerbated by
what might happen in an individual’s particular family or particular school,
but it’s systemic in that it’s across the culture. When we look at the laws in
our culture, those laws support that systemic abuse - the laws regarding same sex marriage,
civil unions, laws regarding superannuation etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. But
then, here in Queensland, when we look at the age of consent – that’s another
example of where you’ve got legislation that not only supports, but is part of
that systemic abuse of same sex attracted young people - that very clearly
gives out the message of “You’re not equal”. And if you’re not equal, then you’re less than – it’s that you’re better than, you’re less
than.
John Frame:
The Government actually says that this issue – the unequal age of consent – is
something that they don’t have to pay particular attention to, because they
consider it to just be a “vexed” issue – that there are strongly held opinions
for and against. But would you consider that the psychological welfare of youth
is such that they should be paying much more attention to this issue?
Tim Klein:
Well it’s an issue of discrimination. The bottom line is that it’s an issue of
discrimination. So that means that same sex attracted young people do not have
the same rights as opposite sex attracted young people. I mean for that alone
it needs to be paid attention to – it needs to be addressed.
John Frame:
You’ve pointed out that the lack of acceptance that’s already existent within
our society for same sex attracted youth, as they’re evolving through their
teenage years, that that actually constitutes a form of abuse. So would you
expect then that if the law was changed, the age of consent was made equal at
16 for everybody for all sexual activities, that that would then enable youth to
have a better chance of developing to be people with greater self-esteem, with
greater respect for others?
Tim Klein:
I think it is part of it. It’s an important part of it and it’s
only one part of it – and it’s a part of it that needs to change. I mean what
the research shows is that for an individual that is same sex attracted, all
other things in their life being equal, the development of a positive sexual
identity represents a form of developmental crisis - kind of like a speed bump
that they have to go over. And once that’s actually resolved, the mental health
of same sex attracted people is pretty much on par with the mental health of
heterosexual people – once they can get over that speed bump.
Now, things like the unequal age of consent. Things like
same sex couples not having the same rights regarding their relationships.
These are the things that make getting over that speed bump more difficult –
and also that means that once you’ve got over that speed bump, yes, you may
have developed a positive sexual identity, but it still means that you’re in a
situation where you don’t have the same rights as your heterosexual
counterparts. And that discrimination and the message of inferiority, the
message of lack of acceptance, the message of contempt, that those lack of
equal rights give, that can then have ongoing psychological impacts on same sex
attracted individuals.
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(end of interview)